Showing posts with label Interrogation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Interrogation. Show all posts

Tuesday, July 24, 2012

8 Jul 2012: Quasem interview request

After hearing the defense arguments on time limits, the tribunal then considered an application seeking permission to question Mir Quasem Ali. He had earlier been detained and sought bail

Sultan Mahmud Simon [Prosecutor]: My Lord, we would like to submit an application for the prayer for interrogation of the accused petitioner for three days. He stated that- the accused has been arrested after the issuance of arrest warrant from the Tribunal and that he has also threatened the witnesses of this case. So at this stage, he has prayed on behalf of the Prosecution for a permission of 3 days interrogation at the safe home.

Tajul Islam: My Lord, I have two applications. The first one is about the interrogation in the safe home, there is a report in their hand stating that it is necessary to interrogate the accused, but we didn’t receive a copy. And the other matter relevant to the issue of threats-I would like to say something.

Justice Nizamul Huq: Threatening is not your issue to deal with. They have prayed for three days interrogation, please be stuck on the matter.

Tajul Islam: If there is an issue of interrogation, certainly there should be some requirement. But there are no reasonable grounds of justification in their favor. So without any proper cause we don’t find any ground to leave the Petitioner in their hand.

He said that if there was to be an interrogation, it must take place in the presence of counsel and should comply with the directions of the High Court Division in the case of BLAST vs Bangladesh

Justice Nizamul Huq passed order (summary)
The Prosecution has submitted an application stating the development of the Investigation about the accused petitioner Mir Kashem Ali. The accused petitioner has been produced before the Tribunal by the Prison authority. The Prosecution has served an application for interrogation. Prosecutor Mr. Sultan Mahmud submitted that the accused was arrested after the issuance of warrant. The investigation is going on and the development report has been submitted today. He has also submitted that- for the proper investigation, the accused would be interrogated. He has also stated that- only for this reason the application has been filed, and if not allowed they will be prejudiced. Whereas the petition has been opposed by the defence, Tajul Islam on behalf of the defence has stated that- there is no justification behind this prayer of the Prosecution so it is ought to have been rejected.

We have heard both the Prosecution and the Defence; it is a fact that we have allowed interrogation in all the cases prayed by the Prosecution. Though it had been prayed for 3 days interrogation but here in this case we are allowing 1 day interrogation.

We are of the views that by the submission of the Prosecution petition, they have established the fact that the accused needs to be interrogated. So we hereby allow the petition. We hereby direct the Prosecution to inform Mr. Tajul Islam two days before the interrogation. During the interrogation the presence of a doctor and a counsel is required.

The Prosecution has to submit further progressive report or the formal charge by 12th August, 2012.
Prosecutor Ziad Al-Malum said don’t worry we will file formal charge on that day.


Monday, June 20, 2011

1 Jun 2011: Interrogation request

This hearing dealt with four issues. First, a progress report on investigations into Nizami, Mujahid, Molla and Kamaruzzaman. Second an application by the prosecution concerning the remand of Molla and Kamaruzzman into the custody of the investigation agency for interrogation. Thirdly an application by a witness requesting that his lawyer be present during his questioning. And fourthly, an application for Bail relating to Nizami and Mujahid.

This blog post deal with the first three issues. The bail application is dealt with in a separate blog.

The Tribunal chair first asked that all applications be submitted before 3pm. ‘If we receive any documents after 3pm we will treat it like we got it a day later,’ he said.

Progress Report of investigation into Nizami, Mujahid, Molla and Kamaruzzaman

The prosecutor, Rezaul Karim told that Tribunal that ‘There has been a very good progress in the investigation. An investigation report was done by investigation officer Abdur Razzak Khan.’ He said that Nizami and Mujahid had been interrogated and Molla and Kamruzzam had not yet been taken into remand for interrogation.

He said that photographs, newspapers, books, video, and other evidence has been collected by the investigation agency. Scrutiny of the information gathered from the investigation/interrogation of Nizami and Mujahid is going on.

‘So, there has been a lot of progress. There was evidence found that atrocities happened under their command. Now, it is necessary to interrogate Molla and Kamruzaman’.

The tribunal chair commented that Nizami was quizzed on 5 May and Mujahid on 8 May, and asked ‘So it has been more than 20 days, what took you so long to submit the progress report?’

The prosecution said that many things that happened in the meantime. Delwar Hossain Sayedee and Salauddin Quader Chowdhury were interrogated and the investigation officer has also been busy.

The Tribunal chairman then said that at different points of the report it says that 'we are “trying to do”, “will try to do”, It’s been so many days and still it says things “under process”, “we are trying” etc.' He asked why they are not doing things more quickly. Karim responded by saying that ‘We’ll do it very quickly. We won’t take much time.’

The Tribunal chairman said, ‘We shall not allow an indefinite period.’ The prosecutor said, ‘The hard reality is that it is not easy. Let’s say there’s a witness. We go to his house to find him; we come to learn that he went to his in-law’s house, or to his village, or somewhere else. We just can’t reach them.’

The Tribunal chairman said, ‘Considering all this, we are saying again, indefinite time won’t be allowed. The first order was passed on 10 August, 2010.’

The Tribunal then asked Abdur razzak, the investigation officer to come forward.
One of the tribunal members asked him how long he thought it would take to finish the investigation, and Razzak answered that he needed 60 more days.

Tajul Islam, for the defendents then said a few words. He said the defence had only seen the application, not the investigation report. ‘The application does not say any of these things. It just sets out the elements of the crime committed.’ He said that he did not think that there had been any significant development. He added that, ‘In a case like this, time is needed to investigate. In some cases, internationally, it can take five years. It is not appropriate for the court to fix a time frame for the investigation.’ He argued that compelling the Investigation agency to speed up their investigation might prejudice both the parties. ‘It might take a long time to be fair,’ he said.

The court then made a ruling:
‘Today’s is fixed for filing investigation report or its progress report. The prosecutor has filed a progress report showing progress in investigation of case. In the progress report it is stated that the investigation is at the verge of completion and they need some more time to make it complete. It has also been stated that to complete the investigation they require time to interrogate the remaining two persons Mohammed Quamaruzzaman and Abdul Kader Molla by the investigation officer and after completion of that expect that will be able to submit the report.

We heard Syed Rezaur Karim learned prosecutor in this regard and also Tajul Islam who appeared for the two petitioners.

Having considered the submissions made by them, we are of the view that some more time is required by the prosecution for completion of investigation and as such prayer is allowed. Let the matter appear on the list on 12 July, 2011 for the submission of report. In case they fail to submit a report, they have to submit progress report on that date. The detention of the accused is extended till that date.’
Application seeking remand for interrogation of Molla and Kamaruzzaman
Mr Mokhlesur Rahman Badal for the prosecution spoke. He said that he was requesting a 3 day remand to interrogate Molla and Kamruzaman for the sake of proper investigation.

The Tribunal said that he should first argue in relation to Kamaruzzman, and then separately for Molla.

The prosecutor said: ‘The accused are now in front of the court for the brutality committed in 1971. Molla was an Islami Chaatra Shangha (ICS) leader in 1971. Nizmai and Mujahid were also ICS leaders. They were involved in war crimes, killing, rape, arson, etc. The people of Bangladesh know about their involvement in the atrocities during 1971. Evidence have been collected and our investigation officers have interrogated them. To scrutinise all the collected information and to finish and submit our progress report we now need to interrogate Molla and Kamruzzaman.’

‘This is very urgent and important. Defence might say they are feeling insecure. But the accused were taken to a safe home, given safe custody which maintained an international standard. All the investigation has been done conforming to the international standard. So, we urge you to allow us to take Molla and Kamruzzaman in 3 day remand to interrogate them keep the investigation process going successfully. The judges will decide if it is indispensable or not.’

Tajul Islam for the accused then spoke. He said that for a short time he forgot if he was in ‘Paltan ground or in a courtroom’. What he said was ‘not a legal petition. They have to substantiate how, where, when crimes were committed. He is just saying that these people committed these crimes. It was a vague political application. For a committal into custody, this cannot be allowed.’

He then read out Rule 16.
“The investigation Officer if thinks it necessary, may apply through the Prosecutor to the Tribunal to commit the arrested person(s) in his custody for the purpose of interrogation, the Tribunal can pass order for such custody of the person(s) arrested, for a maximum period of three (3) days if it upon consideration of facts and circumstances of the case is of the opinion that for proper investigation such order is indispensable.'
‘The word ‘indispensable’ is a significant word,’ he said. ‘The prosecution must show that remand is indispensable. Nothing has been shown that unless interrogation takes place, cannot complete investigation. The requirements of law are not yet fulfilled. The application is full of emotive language. There is no specific allegation.’

In the application filed by Islam, the following was stated, though this was not read out in court:
‘As such the Tribunal is required to be satisfied that – (i) for the purpose of proper investigation, interrogation of the Applicants is “indispensable” and (ii) that such interrogation in the custody of the Investigating Officer is also “indispensable”. However, in the facts and circumstances of the case there were no materials or records before the Tribunal on the basis of which it could be so satisfied. The Orders of the Tribunal dated 5th and 13th April 2011 also do not refer to any materials or evidence.

The Prosecution has not referred to any material that indicates that the interrogation of the Accused Petitioner is necessary for proper investigation. The Investigating Officer has not referred to any documents, materials or evidence on the basis of which he has applied for custody of the Applicants. Only general allegations were made against the Accused Petitioner. Such allegations were not supported by materials or evidence. There was no reference to any document or witness in such general allegations. It is clear that the interrogation in the custody of the investigating officers is merely a fishing expedition.

That moreover the Prosecution failed to disclose why interrogation of the Accused Petitioner is necessary in the custody of the Investigating Officer. The Accused Petitioner may be interrogated in the custody of the jail authority - either within his cell or at the jail gate. There is no statement or explanation as to why interrogation of the accused in his cell or at the jail gate will not be equally efficacious and appropriate. Neither the Investigating Officer nor the Prosecution has made out a case as to why interrogation in the custody of the Investigating Officer is indispensable.

Furthermore, although the Accused Petitioner has been in custody for almost 10 months, no report has been filed by the Investigation Agency as to the status of the investigation. The Prosecution has made general allegations of commission of offences against the Accused Petitioner under the Act which have not been substantiated by any evidence. As such, there are no grounds for committal of the Accused Petitioner to the custody of the Investigation Agency for interrogation
Islam then said that the prosecution call it a ‘safe house’ of ‘international standard’. In fact, he said, ‘it is not of any standard’. He then referred back to a 2002 High Court decision (referred to in previous hearings, see blog) which required that there should be a piece of glass between the accused and the interrogators and that the questioning should take place in sight of the accused lawyer. ‘There is a mandatory duty on the prosecution to produce such a room like this. The Tribunal can pass an order like this. Since this is a decision of the appellate division, it is binding on all of us.’

He then said that he was making some additional submissions relating to Kamruzzamn. Reading from his written application, Islam said that the presence of a lawyer during the interrogation is indispensible so that no verbal or physical abuse happens. He said that on 5 May ‘Motiur Rahman Nizami was taken into remand by the Investigation Agency in the so-called ‘safe house’ in Dhanmondi, Dhaka and was verbally abused by the Investigator, Mr. Abdul Hannan in a most humiliating and degrading manner. The Investigator failed to take into consideration the high social status of the accused petitioner and his position as a former Minister while conducting the interrogation. It is also stated that Mr. Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury, who has also been detained in connection with war crimes, has also been verbally abused at the ‘safe home’ in Dhanmondi by the Investigating Officer, Mr. Abdur Rahim.

The Tribunal chairman then asked why he was talking about Chowdhury. ‘You can’t talk about him here. He is not related to this tribunal.’ he said. Islam responded by saying, ‘I’m not representing him. We are just trying to say this has a relation with our case.’

Islam then continued and said that, ‘On 13th July 2010, the Petitioner was arrested by the Police and taken on remand in connection with a number of criminal cases. During remand, the Petitioner was taken to the CID Office at Malibagh, where he was severely tortured by the Investigating Officers. It is specifically stated that a sandal was forced into the mouth of the accused petitioner during interrogation and thereafter the investigating officer slapped him twice on each side of his head. Such humiliating and degrading physical torture was inflicted upon the accused petitioner solely with a view to unlawfully extracting information from him.

He added that, ‘in view of the past conduct of the Police during remand at CID Office and in view of the persistent misbehaviour of the Investigation Agency during the interrogation of Mr. Motiur Rahman Nizami and Mr. Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury at the so-called ‘safe house’, the petitioner seriously and justifiably apprehends that he may be subjected to similar torture at the ‘safe house’. As such, the petitioner prays that the Tribunal passes an order directing that a lawyer be present within the sight and hearing of the Accused Petitioner during the course of interrogation. This is to ensure that he is not abused and tortured as the police and investigators have already shown themselves capable of both. In the alternative, the Petitioner prays that the interrogation be conducted in a room with a glass window in the sight of the Petitioner’s counsel.’

The Tribunal chairman said that the incident referred took place before the accused was in the jurisdiction of the Tribunal. He said that if a person under our custody is touched, ‘we’ll take it very seriously.’

The tribunal chairman continued, ‘This is the first time, any tribunal in Bangladesh passed the order for presence of lawyer (in adjacent room). You should talk about things, present facts under jurisdiction of the tribunal.’

Ali Haider for the prosecution then got up. He said that the safe home is a creation of law. No specific method actually exists and every arrangement was done according to the tribunal’s guidance. So it is not compulsory to have a glass wall, he argued.

He said that every person who is acquainted with the facts and circumstances of these incidents (atrocities in 1971) has ‘to be asked about them. This is an indispensable part of the trial. That’s why we have to question Kamruzzman and Molla.’

Islam then got up and said that that he understand that the prosecution had allegations, but said that they had to substantiate their allegations.

The prosecutor then submitted his application arguing that Mollah should be interrogated, which was very similar to his application relating to Kamruzzaman

The lawyer for Mollah, Advocate Mr Ahsan Kabir then stood up and cited rule 16 (1) again and the need for the tribunal to find that detention for questioning for ‘indispensible’.

‘There’s no description of any specific crime. It is only said that they committed atrocities in many places in the country, this place, that place etc. But nothing specific is being said,’ he said. ‘The rule is not applicable for Mollah,’ he said.

The lawyer, reading out from the application stated that, ‘On 13th July 2010, the Petitioner was arrested by the Police and thereafter taken on remand in connection with a number of criminal cases. During remand, the Petitioner was taken to the CID Office at Malibagh, where he was subjected to verbal abuse by the investigating officers.’

He argued that because of this – and the experience of interrogations by the Tribunal investigation officers into the other accused - lawyers needed to be present at the interrogation.

He also said that if interrogation does take place a glass wall should be placed between the investigator and accused, and that more time should be given to the accused to finish his prayers and lunch. He also said that he would also like to have the right to consult his client during the recess to check if there was any duress or coercion.

The Tribunal chairman asked whether the accused previously during interrogations had been able to eat and say their prayers, and the lawyer said yes they had.

The Tribunal chair read out section 16(2) again and said, ‘There is no provision for a doctor, glass door etc. But we have provided doctor and we also allowed presence of the counsel.’

One of the Tribunal members said, ‘This is a domestic tribunal dealing with international crime. You are talking about international standards and other things, but it depends on us, how we give the orders. We have been very generous, but if you try to put pressure on us and try to get everything, it’s not appropriate.’

The Tribunal chair then read out the order:
‘Two applications have been filed by the prosecution relating to two accused persons namely Kamruzzaman and Molla for for placing them in custody of the investigation officer under rule 16(1) in order to interrogate them are taken up for hearing.

Mr Mokhlesur Rahman, learned prosecutor submits that for proper investigation of this case the two accused persons should be committed to the custody of the investigation agency for the purpose of interrogation in the safe home as mentioned earlier. He further submits that the evidence collected by the investigators are required to be examined by interrogation of the two accused persons. He further submitted that some reports, newspapers, photographs, magazines, tape recording have been collected by the investigators which will connect the two accused persons with the offences in question and for testing them they are required to be interrogated for effective investigation. He further submits that if interrogation is not allowed, the investigation authority be prejudiced and the whole investigation will be defective and incomplete and as such he prayed for committing the accused persons to the custody to the investigation agency for proper investigation.

On the other hand Tajul Islam and Mr Ahsan Kabir, appearing for the two accused stated that the accused persons are in custody by order of the Tribunal for a long time and at the fag end of the investigations it is not at all necessary for the investigation officers to take them to custody for interrogations. Further submitted that if prayer is allowed they will be highly prejudiced as there is a chance of ill treatment by interrogation of them and the alleged safe home is not at all safe for them and accordingly the prayer should be rejected.

We have heard learned prosecutor and learned counsel for the accused person. We have allowed earlier prayer under rule 16(1) under certain conditions. We do not find any reason to take a different view in the matter for these two accused. As such we are inclined to allow interrogation on same conditions, mentioned herein.

The investigation officer is directed to arrange a special room for interrogation in the safe home informing the engaged counsel at least 48 hours before interrogation and the learned counsel are allowed to be present on the adjacent room where the interrogation will take place.

The investigation officer is also directed to inform the jail superintendent Dhaka in writing requesting him to depute one doctor of central jail hospital to be present with the counsel in the adjacent room where the interrogation is being held. They will be allowed to see the accused person at the interval time of such interrogation and the doctor is also permitted to examine the health condition of the accused person.

Two separate dates must be fixed for interrogating the accused person.

The Investigation officer shall not put any pressure or threat upon the accused person at the time of interrogation and maintain privacy in the safe home. The accused must be interrogated in his language, i.e. Bangla, so that he can understand the questioning and give a reply and that at the conclusion of the interrogation or questioning, the accused person must be offered the opportunity to clarify anything he has said before the investigation officer must follow and abide by the rule 16(2) of the rules

The prayer of the investigation officer is allowed for one day interrogation from 10 am to 5pm with a gap of 1 hr between 1pm – 2 pm for saying prayer and lunch. The petitions are allowed.

Application by witness to have lawyer present during questioning

Advocate MK Muraduzzaman then rose and said that he was appearing on behalf of Dewan Sirajul Islam who was asked on 23 May to appear for questioning. He said that his client requested that he, as his lawyer, be allowed to be present during my questioning. He said that his client feared that he would be tortured and had been issued notice without having a reason.

The Tribunal chairman asked the lawyer how does his client, ‘Apprehend that he will be tortured? [Your client] is not an accused, [he is] a witness. You are thinking even before the interrogation that your client will be tortured.’

The lawyer responded by saying that, ‘Qhat was said in the media and the newspapers about the other interrogations is making my client feel that way.’

One of the tribunal members read out section 8(3) of the 1973 Act which states: ‘Any Investigation Officer making an investigation under this Act may, by order in writing, require the attendance before himself of any person who appears to be acquainted with the circumstances of the case; and such person shall attend as so required.’

A prosecutor also stood up and mentioned rule 16(2) of the rules of procedure which states, ‘No person during investigation under the Act shall be subjected to any form of coercion, duress or threat of any kind.’

The tribunal chairman then said, ‘He is not even an accused. He is a witness. We are assuring you no one will touch him. You don’t have to worry.’

He then said that the application was summarily rejected, and the following order was passed.
‘An application filed by Dewan Sirajul Islam Matlib for allowing his counsel to be present at the time of examination by the investigating agency is taken up for hearing.

Learned counsel MK Muraduzzaman said that he had been notified by the investigation agency to appear before them for the purpose of examination. He has got no objection to be present, but he wants that during the time of questioning his lawyer should be present.

Admittedly, the applicant is not accused. He may be required to be examined by the investigation agency for the purpose of examination. We do not find any reason to direct the investigation agency to allow counsel to be present, as so such, application stands rejected.’
Comment
It is interesting to note that the accused lawyers were encouraging the tribunal not to lock the prosecution into a particular time frame for completing the investigation. Whilst they point to fact that these kinds of investigations take a long time to do well, it would also suggest that the defence lawyers are quite happy for the process to be delayed.

24 May 2011: Contempt of court claim

Two interconnected applications were heard at this hearing. No accused were present.

The first application related to an alleged contempt of court by a senior member of the investigation agency, Sanaul Haq, who the lawyers on behalf of Motiur Rahman Nizami argued has made prejudicial comments against their client to the media during and after his interrogation and who had breached the order of the Tribunal. The application asked the Tribunal to take action against Haq for contempt of court.

The second application, sought a direction: to exclude all evidence obtained during Nizami's interrogation that was obtained contrary to the Tribunal's orders about how the interrogation took place; to suppress all evidence from trial proceedings which was prejudicially communicated to the media; upon the Investigation Agency and Prosecution to abstain from such prejudicial conduct in the future; upon the Investigation Agency to allow counsel to assist the Applicant during the period of interrogation and to be permitted to hold privileged communications before, during and after the interrogation; upon the Investigation Agency to audio and video record the entire interrogation and for transcripts to be available to the Applicant’s counsel within three days of the interrogation; to suspend all further interrogations pending the resolution of the above matters.

First application: Contempt of court
Tajul Islam, Nizami's counsel, told the Tribunal that the interrogation of Mr. Nizami took place on 5 May 2011 and that ‘during the interrogation period, the Investigator Mr. M Sanaul Haq made a number of prejudicial comments against Mr. Nizami to the media waiting outside. Further, once the interrogation was completed, he publicly stated to the media that Mr. Nizami had allegedly confessed to his involvement in the atrocities committed during 1971.’

Islam then passed a video to the tribunal that he said was a copy of the press briefing given by Haq at the end of the interrogation. Islam then read out a bangla transcript of the media briefing by Haq. (SH=Haq: J=journalist)
SH: I spoke with you during the interval. We interrogated him further when he came back. He answered to the questions of the Investigation Officerss. He confessed about all the international crimes that took place at that time, but he dodged issues regarding his involvement and didn’t want to talk about it that much. Anyway, he is old and we couldn’t interrogate him well enough. Moreover, he answered very slowly, so it took us a lot of time. We will apply for more extensive interrogation of him to the International Crime Tribunal (ICT). We will verify all the answers that he had given, and will also ask further questions that we have left.
Journalist: What do you mean by – “he confessed”? What are exact things that he confessed?
SH: He confessed that, at that time, there was mass-killing, rape and torture on women. Al-badr and some other organisations like it carried out all the atrocities. But he cleverly avoided the role that he played there.
J: Did he confess his involvement with the Al-badr?
SH: He wanted to avoid those issues.
J: You have shown him some documents and photographs… what did he say about those?
SH: Yes, he related to some of those. In some cases he said that it was misrepresented in the newspaper. We also showed him a book published in Pakistan. There is a publication in Pakistan named “Al-badr”, we also showed some books published by that publication, where his roles in Al-badr was stated. In those cases he also said that those things were done to disgrace him. Anyway, our interrogation is unfinished and we want to interrogate him further.
J: Did you show him the reports published in the Daily Sangram, “spokesperson of The Jamaat”.
SH: Yes, everything was showed to him, everything.
J: Sir, those reports said he was the president of Al-badr. Did you ask him about that?
SH: Yes, he was asked about that.
J: What did he say then? Did he confess or deny?
SH: He said that he would have been killed if he didn’t do those.
J: Sir, what are the things he was forced to do, what are the things?
SH: He formed Al-badr, Razakaar and Peace committee provided them help.
J: So, what did he say about it?
SH: He didn’t answer the question directly.
J: Did he confess about murdering the intellectuals?
SH: Yes, he said that it happened. He claimed that they observe the day every year and pray for them.
J: Did he confess about being involved in formation of Razakar and Al-badr?
SH: Yes, he confessed.
J: Sir, will there be any more interrogation?
SH: We will not apply to interrogate those who we think gave complete statement. In this case, we thought it was incomplete, so we will apply to get the chance to interrogate him again.
Islam then told the Tribunal that on the following day, 6 May, a number of press reports were released publishing Haq’s ‘prejudicial communications and citing confidential information concerning the case against the Petitioner.’

He then argued that for the reasons to be given later, the Petitioner prays for the Tribunal ‘to exercise its judicial discretion in drawing up proceedings for contempt of this Tribunal against Haq and further penalising the investigation agency for its prejudicial conduct and preventing re-occurrence of such grave breaches.’

Islam then described the circumstances of Mr. Nizami’s interrogation. He said that prior to the commencement of Mr. Nizami’s interrogation, Haq informed Mr. Nizami’s counsel that he was ‘prohibited from advising his client’.

He also added that ‘both during Mr. Nizami’s lunch break and after the interrogation Mr. Nizami was prevented from privately consulting his lawyer as members of the Investigation Agency were present throughout.’

He also said that ‘during the interrogation period, counsel for Mr. Nizami was not allowed to observe the interrogation. Counsel was not ‘even able to see the four investigators’ though he was later informed that they comprised Mr. Razzaq Khan; Mr. Motiur Rahman; Mr.Helal Uddin; and Mr. Nural Islam.

Islam said that, during the interrogation interval Haq had said that Nizami was “confessing too many things” and that subsequent to the interrogation Haq had told the media that Nizami had “confessed and admitted his involvement with the atrocities committed during 1971”.

The article then quoted the Daily Star newspaper as quoting Haq as saying, “when we showed him a video clip of brutal killings during the Liberation War and enquired about it, he [Nizami] said it was genocide and mass killing”.

Islam apologized to the court that they had forgotten to annex the article and one was not available in court.

The Tribunal chair said, ‘You said ‘annexed’, but you didn’t annex it with the documents. You are so busy!’

Islam stated that the Daily Star article revealed a significant amount of information allegedly obtained during Mr. Nizami’s interrogation, including, inter alia, that Mr. Nizami: “admitted that mass rape and killing of the country’s intellectuals took place during the Liberation War…[and when shown] different documents of Pakistan that mentioned his involvement with Al-Badr and Al-Shams he admitted his involvement with the two auxiliary forces”.

The Tribunal chair said, that ‘it was “reported to have revealed”, so it’s not sure if it was “revealed”?’ Islam responded by saying that ‘We just wanted to quote what was said in the newspaper.’

The Daily Star article also quoted Haq as saying that Nizami had told interrogators that: “But my speech to Al-Badr activists and other activities and assistance during 1971 were related to inspiring people that I was bound to do due to death threats by the Pakistani Army.”

Islam then argued that this conduct was in breach of section 11(4) ICTA and Rules 14 and 45 of the Tribunal’s Rules of Procedure. Rule 14 of the Tribunal’s Rules of Procedure provides:
“The Prosecution and the Investigation Agency shall take necessary measures to ensure the confidentiality of any information, the protection of any witness or victim and the preservation of all the evidence collected
Section 11 (4) of the International Crimes (Tribunal) Act 1973 as amended in 2009 states:
“A Tribunal may punish any person who obstructs or abuses its process or disobeys any of its orders or direction, or does anything which tends to prejudice the case of a party before it, or tends or brings it or any of its members into hatred or contempt, or does anything which constitutes contempt of the Tribunal, with simple imprisonment which may extend to one year, or with a fine which may extend to Taka five thousands, or with both”.
Rule 45 of the Tribunal’s Rules of Procedure states:
‘… The Tribunal may draw any proceeding against any person who obstructs or abuses the process of the Tribunal or disobeys any order or direction of the Tribunal or who does anything which tends to prejudice the case of a party before the Tribunal, or tends or bring the Tribunal or any of its members into hatred or contempt, or does anything which constitutes contempt of the Tribunal.’
Islam referred to para 52 of the ICC case of Prosecutor v. Thomas Lubanga Dyilo where it was stated that,
“The Chamber is wholly uninfluenced by these misleading and inaccurate remarks, but it deprecates the prosecution's use of a public interview, first, to misrepresent the evidence and to comment on its merits and weight, and including by way of remarks on the credibility of its own witnesses in the context of a trial where much of the evidence has been heard in closed session with the public excluded; second, to express views on matters that are awaiting resolution by the Chamber, thereby intruding on the latter's role; third, to criticise the accused without foundation; and, finally, to purport to announce how the Chamber will resolve the submissions on the abuse of process application, and, moreover, that the accused will be convicted in due course and sentenced to lengthy imprisonment at the end of the case.”
Islam then stated that ‘given the early stage of the criminal proceedings and the fact that the Petitioner has not been charged with any crime .. the information released by the Investigation Agency to the media is intrinsically confidential and thereby in breach of Rule 14 of the Tribunal’s Rules of Procedure.’

Islam also alleged that the comments made by Haq were ‘highly prejudicial in the cases against the Petitioner especially when taking into account that the Petitioner was being questioned on matters concerning serious war crimes and were prohibited from seeking legal consultation and assistance. Furthermore, it is submitted that the comments attributed to the Petitioner by Huq are entirely fabricated. Mr. Nizami did not confess to his involvement in atrocities committed in 1971 and did not make any reference that he was forced to do so by Pakistani authorities. It is submitted that under the Tribunal’s Act and Rules of Procedure, such prejudicial conduct is deemed serious enough to invoke a term of imprisonment for one year together with a fine of five thousand Taka.’

He also argued that ‘the prejudicial communications made by the Investigation Agency concerned matters to be determined by the Tribunal and therefore intrude on the Tribunal’s inherent judicial power and discretion. It is submitted that the conduct of the Investigation Agency is damaging both to the process and reputation of the Tribunal. The Petitioner prays that the Tribunal issues a warning upon the Haq and the Investigation Agency to abstain from such prejudicial conduct in the future and further, exercises its judicial discretion … to draw up [contempt] proceedings.’

Islam then went on to argue that there had been a breach of the order of the court in relation to the way the interrogation takes place.

He quoted page 26 of the 2003 High Court decision of BLAST which held that “the Investigating Officer shall interrogate the accused, if necessary for the purpose of investigation in a room specially made for the purpose with glass wall and grill in one side within the view but not within hearing of a close relation or lawyer of the accused.”

He also quoted Article 14 (3) (d) International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (“ICCPR”) and Article 67 (d) Rome Statute of the International Criminal
Court (“ICC”) which stated that “In the determination of any criminal charge against him, everyone shall be entitled to the following minimum guarantees, in full equality:…To defend himself in person or through legal assistance of his own choosing ….”.

Islam then referred to Article 55 (2) (c) of the ICC which provides for the right: “To have legal assistance of the person’s choosing, or, if the person does not have legal assistance, to have legal assistance assigned to him or her…”.

And Article 55 (2) (d) ICC provides for the right: “To be questioned in the presence of counsel unless the person has voluntarily waived his or her right

The Tribunal chairman asked Islam whether he was emphasising the phrase “through legal assistance”? Islam said yes. The chairman then said, ‘You should know in our rules, this (interrogation by police) is not admissible evidence. So it doesn’t matter.’

Islam responded by saying, that if he doesn’t take legal assistance he becomes vulnerable to others. 'For the protection of the witness, a lawyer should be present'

The Tribunal then added that ‘there are some outsiders who always talk about us violating rules. The statement of police may be admissible evidence outside [Bangladesh], but not in our country.’

The Tribunal chairman said, ‘We said clearly [in the past] that this is not admissible as evidence. So, there’s no need to worry. And, why did you say a lawyer should be present? We only allowed the lawyer just for the protection of the accused during interrogation.’

He went onto say, ‘This is a domestic tribunal dealing with international crimes. It seems like your head is focused on different things. That’s why you keep repeating and repeating yourself..’

‘No judge of this country would deem police interrogation admissible as evidence. We know what goes on there. We have to follow our own rules. And, you are saying it over and over again.’

Islam then finished arguing his petition. He argued that the right of the Applicant to consult his lawyers during the course of his interrogation has been recognised in the judgment of the High Court Division in the case of BLAST vs. Bangladesh, which has been upheld by the Appellate Division in Civil Petition for Leave to Appeal No. 498 of 2003.

Islam went onto argue that during the interrogation period the petitioner was unable to observe the interrogations in breach of the Tribunal’s 5 April Order and the judgment of the High Court Division in the case of BLAST vs Bangladesh.

He also said that the accused was given to the custody of the investigation officer before 10:00AM and during this period was prevented by the Investigation Agency from seeking legal assistance and consulting counsel contrary to international standards and obligations.

The placing of the petition was completed, and then a discussion between Islam and the Tribunal members took place

Tajul explained that their concern was that ‘the lawyer couldn’t even speak to the petitioner.’

The Tribunal chair responded by saying that. ‘we don’t think it should be allowed.’

Another tribunal member said that, ‘All the cited judgements are correct and well known. But, according to our law we don’t see any necessity. Although, we allowed you as a legal assistance, but in our order we did not say you should consult during-interrogation. Our order read, “........will be allowed to see at the interval time.” So you can give legal advice outside not during interrogation.’

Islam then responded, by saying, ‘How would I know if he was being tortured or intimidated or not, if I’m not allowed to talk to him? We feel we were being prejudiced.’

Moving back to the key part of the application, Islam then said, ‘[Sanaul Huq] can not say whatever he wishes in front of the media. This is wrong. First of all, we are saying the statement is incorrect. And, even it was correct the interrogator should not be allowed to talk about it to the media. This is confidential. When the investigator says something like yes [the accused] confessed about rape and massacre, he becomes prejudiced’

‘Only the law should decide what to say to the media or to anyone. So, he is obstructing court’s order.' Islam said.

He then said. ‘Moreover, the public perception also starts to build against [the accused] after such comments. This creates a psychological pressure on the tribunal which might influence the judgment. So, this is contempt of court.’

Islam, then quoted the relevant section of the Act and rules again (see above) He said, ‘First, there is an attempt to scandalise the petitioner. And there is also an attempt to obstruct the court’s trial by speaking to the media and influencing the public opinion. The client feels prejudiced. All of these are violation of the rules.’

‘We know the tribunal is independent and there would be no pressure. But all these act actually tend to create a public opinion and that could be a mental barrier,’ the lawyer added

The Tribunal chair said, ‘We are not pressured by anyone or any means.’

The prosecutor, Syed Haider Ali, then got up and spoke. He said that, ‘If someone read the rules of procedure’s chapter on evidence there wouldn’t be any need for this application.’

He then criticized the defence counsel for taking bits and pieces of the Act and Rules. ‘We have to take the complete section 45 into account. If you divide the act and quote from some convenient discrete pieces it’s not right. You can’t take bits and pieces of the section and quote that for your advantage.’

Ali said, ‘There was no question of breach of confidentiality and there was no obstruction to the tribunal. If we look at the full 11(4) act it’s clear.’

‘Once people committed murder and left the body in one piece. Now-a-days it is chopped and different pieces are taken to different places. This is exactly what has happened here. It was a very shrewd thing to do from the learned counselor’s part.’

He added, ‘Furthermore, there was no question of disobedience of the court’s order. The doctor was there. Every one was present. Mr. Tajul even had rice with [the accused].’

‘We have to remember we are doing this under domestic law. And this was not a confidential interrogation. It is not a confidential place. It is a safe home. This same person is going to different interrogations, not everything relates to this tribunal.’

In response to a question from the Tribunal, he said, ‘I just want to say there was no prejudice. What the interrogator said to the press is immaterial.’

‘The accused was interrogated and he answered. Is it evidence? No it is not evidence’ he said.

The Tribunal chair then read out section 11(4) again, and said, 'Is it 'obstruction'? No. Is is 'abuse' No. Has the order been 'disobeyed'. No. Has anything been done that 'tends to prejudice the case of a party before the Tribunal'? This is the case of the other party.'

Ali replied, ‘No, there was absolutely nothing. Even if Mr Sanaul is saying all the truth, there is no question of prejudice. ‘

The Tribunal chair said, ‘the counsel was saying that it is going to create a bad impression as it was said in the media and television.’

Ali responded, ‘But there was nothing confidential and it is not even evidence. All the books and videos were provided by the interrogator but nothing was obtained from the accused. So 11(4) fails.’

‘The application says, “He confessed that there was mass-killing and genocide.” There’s no evidence needed for that. Can anybody deny that there was no genocide? Can Mr Tajul or anyone deny the mass-killing?’

Ali argued that there are three issues in relation to contempt. ‘One, We have to define what is contempt. Two, and somebody has to perform some or any of those contemptuous acts. Three, we also have to see who is in contempt.’

He then said, ‘But, there is nothing that indicates contempt. And, if somebody asks, “Do you confess that there was mass-killing?” and he answers ‘yes’, what’s the evidence in that? He was shown some books and asked what is his position regarding those. Is this evidence? Or prejudice? This is neither.’

The Tribunal chair asked, ‘It says “he confessed”, Doesn't it prejudice his case?’ Ali denied it. He said, ‘There is nothing in Sanaul’s statement that discloses confidential things. I don’t find anything substantial here.’

Islam then responded. He criticized the prosecutor for saying that he did some “clever” things. The Tribunal then said, ‘No, he meant you cleverly presented your case. Lets not fight and proceed.’

Islam said, 'I actually quoted the whole section. I think, breach of any of the terms in the section should be considered as contempt.'

He focused on the part of the section that reads, 'or does anything which tends to prejudice the case of a party before it.'

Islam again said, that there was breach of confidentiality, and then quoted part of the media briefing: “Did he confess?” ‘Yes”, “Al Badr?” “Yes”. Everything goes against him. Is this not prejudice.’

The Tribunal responded at one point by saying, 'But this is not evidence'

‘I’m not saying you will judge based on public opinion but it is true that people are being affected by all these reports and statements,’ Islam said. ‘People might say, “If everyone knows who did what, what’s the point of all this trial?’

Islam said, ‘This is becoming a kind of “media trial”. He said that on the basis of these comments by Haq, his client was seriously prejudiced. He added that there has also been a breach of confidentiality and that 'this is also a violation'.

The Tribunal chair then said, ‘Yes, the press and the media has not been very responsible about the whole trial. People are even giving statements about what didn’t even take place here. But, we are not influenced by any of those.'

Islam finished by saying, ‘But, no one should say such things in the media. The way he said everything so easily is not appropriate. ‘

Second Application
This application was not argued by the defence lawyer, as it appears that the Tribunal considered them to deal with the same subject matter as the first application.

However, Tajul Islam did argue that the Tribunal should make it clear in an order that all material obtained in the course of the interrogation should not be used as evidence in the Tribunal.

A discussion then took place between the prosecutor and the Tribunal, with the prosecution, Haider Ali, telling the defence counsel not to worry as many things are being said about the accused but they are not evidence. The Tribunal chair at one point said, 'Advice is coming in from outside (Bangladesh), that’s why their heads are spinning. There is nothing to worry.'

'It doesn’t affect this trial what others say. There will be reports, symposiums, negative and positive comments. But we are not taking other people’s statements into account. We are not also considering what was said in other cases relating the accused.' he added.

At one point the prosecutor pointed to a part of their application which stated, “the Tribunal must allow ....”. The Tribunal told the defence lawyers that they must not use language like 'must allow'

He then said, 'You are petitioning in front of an international tribunal', quickly correcting himself by saying, 'a tribunal that deals with international matters.'

The Tribunal then said that investigation officers should be careful of what they say in public. 'Each and every eye is on you,' the chair said.

One Tribunal member said that the 'Prosecutors and investigators should be conscious of the importance and weight of each word they use.'

'There was a report from Toby Cadman [UK lawyer assisting the defence] which used the same language as Mr. Tajul today. This is unfortunate. This is a domestic case. This is a domestic trial. Why the outsiders are so involved in this? What is their headache?' one of the Tribunal members said.
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The Tribunal chair said that there was some news report on 9 May which questioned the qualification of the the Tribunal members to be judges of the Tribunal.

He said, that foreigners 'also criticised the quality of our judges. They are saying we are not qualified. They are questioning us? How far they have gone?! This is contemptuous. We know the profile/ qualification of the international judges. They are not any better than us.'

'This is simply unfortunate,' he said.

Tribunal Order
After about a two minute pause and discussion amongst the judges, the Tribunal chair then read out the order:
Two applications are taken up for hearing today. First, we considered an application filed under 11(4) of the ICT 1973 and Rule 45 of the ICT rules of procedure 2010 for drawing up contempt proceedings against Sanaul Huq from the investigation agency of this Tribunal.

Mr Tajul Islam pressed his petition before the Tribunal and submitted that during the interval period of the interrogation, Sanaul Huq made a number of prejudicial comments against Mr Nizami to the media waiting outside.

After conclusion of the interrogation, the petition stated that Sanaul Huq stated that Nizami confessed that there were atrocities committed in 1971, but dodged the issue of his own involvement.

The learned counsel submitted a video of the press briefing by the said Investigation officer and the video has been placed by the Tribunal for the perusal of the Tribunal. The statement made in the video have been quoted in the petition which Mr Tajul Islam showed us.

[Sections of the Sanaul Huq’s interview was then read out by the Tribunal Chair, see above]

Mr Tajul Islam further submitted that when the interrogation process took place the order of the court was not followed by the said investigator and that Mr Nizami’s counsel was not permitted to advise his client and was not allowed to observe the interrogation.

Also it was alleged that Sanaul Haq told the media that Mr Nizami was confessing to many things and confessed that there were atrocities committed during 1971 and that the same investigator was reported to having revealed a lot information allegedly during the investigation.

Then by reference to section 11(4) of the 1973 Act and rule 45 of the Rules of Procedure, Mr Tajul Islam submitted that these have been violated, and that prosecution and investigation agencies are to take measures to keep confidentiality of information and that he did something which tends to prejudice a case of a party before the tribunal, and that considering all these things, Mr Tajul Islam said that a warrant upon the said investigators should be issued to stop such prohibitions taking place in the future and also to take action under the Act and Rules.

By reference to section 11(4) of the Rules he submitted that the statement made by the investigation tend to prejudice the case of accused person, and as such under law the allegation has been substantiated.

On the other hand Syed Haider Ali, the learned prosecutor submitted that what has been stated in the petition does not prejudice case of any party. Also submitted that the statements are not evidence at all, so section 11(4) and rule 45 do not apply.

We have heard the submissions and perused them and the Act and Rules. Allegation brought by Tajul Islam that Nizmai was not allowed to consult accused person as directed by Tribunal is not a fact. Probably Mr Tajul Islam has misconstrued the order of 13 April. In the order it was stated that ‘The investigation agency is directed to arrange a specific room for interrogation in safe house, and counsel for the accused is permitted to be present at adjacent room when interrogation will be held. Investigation Agency is also directed to arrange one doctor to be present with one counsel during the interrogation time. The learned counsel and the doctor will be allowed to see the accused person at the interval time of such interrogation and doctor will examine the accused if necessary.’

On perusal of the order we find that allegation by Tajul Islam that not allowed to talk to accused person does not stand as order does not say that counsel should be allowed to consult with accused person. He was allowed to the interrogation and be present in the adjacent room, and to see the accused at the interval time. There was no allegation that he was not allowed at the interval time.

The first allegation of Tajul Islam falls through.

The application regards the media statements by Sanaul Huq was considered by us. The tribunal has not seen the video yet, as statements from that video has been put into the petition and on consideration of those statements in the petition submitted by Tajul Islam we do not find that those statements bring the case, ‘which tends to prejudice the case of the party i.e. the accused before the trial,’ because of following reasons.

First of all the statements are not admitted in evidence. We do not want to pass any comments on these statements as these are not evidence at all, but we are of the view that even if true it does not bring allegation that will prejudice the case of a party to have been established. As such we are of the view that section 11(4) of the Act and rule 45 of the Rules of Procedure does not apply.

Before ending, we want to make some observations. Frequently we see on TV, both sides saying different things before the electronic media which are not only unwarranted and we want to disapprove of this. They should not say anything and they can’t comment on anything. Nothing should be said to the media about results of investigation or the court order. The investigators and the prosecutors can only say that the trial process are going on. The accused should also refrain from making comments about the trial process.

The second application was filed for suppression of evidence obtained by interrogation on 5 May 2011, and for review of all interrogation also taken up for hearing.

We heard the learned prosecutor on both sides. The stage of considering certain statements as evidence has not come yet, so question of suppression of evidence not come at all.

Investigation process is something to be done by the investigation agency alone. But if interrogation is allowed, the investigation officer can interrogate any accused person.

So this submission also does not stand.

We have along observed and also the law says that statement made during interrogation to any prosecutor or investigator is not admissible, as what is evidence is already stated in the rules.

This application is also rejected.'
Comment
1. The lawyers for Nizami argued that Haq had claimed that Nizami had admitted involvement in atrocities. However, my reading of the translation of the media briefing does not suggest that Haq said this. Though Haq does say that Nizami admitted to being involved in the formation of the Al Badr etc. These are however two different things, though perhaps the suggestion is that in the context of what is commonly understood in Bangladesh, involvement in Al Badr is akin to involvement in atrocities. However, it seems to me, nonetheless, that the defence lawyers were exaggerating somewhat what Haq actually said to the media briefing.

2. The decision by the court seems to have hung on the fact that what was said during the interrogations could not be used as evidence, so therefore what was said by Haq could not have been prejudicial. However, I am not quite sure why the issue of whether the interrogation is admissible is relevant one way or the other to the question of whether the comments made by the investigation officer were 'prejudicial' or not to Nizami's case.

It would seem that the comments were intended to amplify the investigation's case against Nizami, and, in my view, it is difficult really to see how they were not prejudicial - though whether or not the investigation officer should have been prosecuted is a different matter. Whilst the Tribunal claims that it is not effected by such tittle-tattle, public opinion inevitably plays a significant part in this Tribunal, and the Tribunal members must be aware of this. For an investigation officer to say that Nizami admitted involvement in forming the Al Badr, is surely trying to play to public opinion.

The Tribunal did not explain why the issue of admissibility of the evidence was significant to whether or not the comments were prejudicial. In fact, arguably, it is is even more prejudicial if the comments were not part of the evidence that was going to be put before the Tribunal.

3. A small point - but since the Tribunal was given a video copy of the press-briefing, one might have imagined that the Tribunal members should have watched it before making a decision on the issue of contempt. Perhaps the transcript given by Islam was not correct. And even if it was correct, what actually took place at the press briefing could perhaps best be understood if it was seen.

4. In its order, the Tribunal did not deal with the issue of confidentiality of the interrogation. (Extraordinarily, the prosecution argued that what was said during the interrogation was not confidential!) Again this is an example of the Tribunal failing to deal with all the arguments put forward by the defence. This was a key part of the application, and the Tribunal just ignored it.

5. It is unclear why the defence tried to argue that the Tribunal's order had been breached by the investigation agency. There was clearly no instruction in the Tribunal order for the lawyer to be present in the same room as the accused during the interrogation or to allow the lawyer to speak to accused during the interrogation. The defence may have wished that they were there, but they certainly were not.

6. It is notable that the Tribunal members are getting increasingly annoyed by criticisms being made by people, particularly it seems by foreigners, and they are making an increasing number of negative comments about them. It would be a real mistake for the Tribunal to put its head in the sand, and completely ignore what is being said about it and how it operates. This is different issue from the Tribunal making independent decisions on applications.

Wednesday, May 25, 2011

28 Apr 2011: Sayedee interrogation request

The hearing on 28 April 2011 dealt with two issues. The presence of Mr. Abdul Alim (the only accused to have got bail from the Tribunal (see blog)) and an application by the prosecution to take Sayedee into remand for questioning

Alim
This was a very short hearing. Counsel for the accused, Advocate Tajul Islam, told the tribunal that his client has been complying with the conditions set out in the Tribunal's March 31 bail order.

Prosecutor Zead Al Malum told the tribunal that the investigators have not yet submitted any investigation report against Alim, but the investigation is in progress, he said.

The Tribunal ordered that he appear again on 21 July, and that the investigation agency submit a report on their investigations by then.

Sayedee
This was the fourth application filed so far by the prosecutors seeking the interrogation of one of the accused. So far the Tribunal has dealt with applications relating to Nizami, Mujahid (on 5 April and 31 April, 21 April) and to Salauddin Quader Chowdhury (on 19 April). For each of these three defendants, the Tribunal finally ordered that the accused should be remanded for one day with the investigation agency in a 'safe house' for questioning.

The arguments both by the prosecution and the defence in relation to the application involving Sayedee was very similar indeed to the previous hearings involving Nizami and Mujahid and so the summary here is relatively brief.

The prosecution application argued by Mr.Sayed Rejaur Rahman sought remand for 3 days. He said that investigation was in progress and that interrogation was necessary as the investigation was nearly finished. He said that they had a lot of documents and evidence that needed to be tested. He said that a house in Dhanmondi had been gazetted

Before Tanvir Ahmad Al-Amin responded to the application for the defence, he made two points. First he argued that it was inappropriate for the prosecution to use the name 'delu' in its application. (This point has been raised in previous hearings). The Tribunal said that whether he is in fact 'Delu' or not will be a matter for evidence. The chair said that it was common in applications for nicknames to be used to identify people. The defence responded that it is not useful if in fact this is not his name. The lawyer argued that in the future they should not use the word 'Delu'

The lawyer then pointed to a part of the prosecution application in which Sayedee was termed as a 'criminal' rather than as an 'accused'. 'It is accepted that a person is innocent until proved guilty,' the lawyer said. The Tribunal chair responded by saying that if it is written in the prosecution submission that he is a criminal, he will not be proved as criminal by merely claiming so. The Tribunal also said that a person is innocent until proved guilty.

Subsequently one of the other Tribunal members told the prosecution that they should not use the word 'operadi' (criminal) in their application. 'The terms used should be fair,' he said.

Al-Amin then went on to argue against the interrogation application. He said that Section 16(1) of the 1973 Act had not been fulfilled.

He argued that the investigation officer needs first to form an opinion that remand is necessary. "There is no information or evidence in the application that can allow him to form an opinion that remand is indispensable. Just general allegations.' He also said that the investigation officer must make this opinion 'objectively' - it is not enough for him to subjectively believe that there is sufficient evidence there must be an objective basis.

The Tribunal asked, 'Where do you get this from that there must be an objective basis for the investigation officer's opinion'. The lawyer said that this was implied. He then referred to a House of Lords Case, R v A, to support his view that 'the investigation officer must objectively decide that necessary. That it be indispensable, not just necessary.'

'Indispensable means that if the information can be obtained in any other way, then that should be tried. The prosecution has not submitted documents to satisfy that custody of the accused is indispensable.' he said.

Al-Amin pointed to the application and said that there was nothing written as to why it was necessary that the accused should be in remand. He said that it was not stated why an interrogation 'in cell or at jail gate was not equally efficacious.'

He then argued that there was no evidence that the 'safe house' was really safe and secure. The lawyer argued that the house needed substantial changes to make it safe and secure. He also argued that there house was not properly equipped in case there was a medical emergency, and pointed to the age and health condition of Sayedee.

He then pointed to the 8 year old High Court order, referred to previously, that required interrogations to take place in prisons. 'This has not been applied, he said. ''Lordships, why did jail authority not make changes in light of the BLAST judgement.' He said that the jail authority had a legal obligation to comply.

The prosecution then replied and explained that there was no reason why the safe house should not be considered safe. He said that the safe home was appropriately equipped and doctors could be made available if there was an emergency.

The Tribunal then made its order:
This is an application filed by the prosecutor praying for an order under section 16(1) to commit the arrested accused Delwar Hossain Sayedee in the custody of the investigation officer for a period of 3 days for purpose of interrogation is taken up for hearing.

Application for not committing the said accused in the custody of the investigation officer for interrogation has also been filed by defence and is taken up for consideration.

Syyed Rejaur Rahman appearing for the prosecution argued that for proper investigation of the case the accused person should be committed in the custody of the investigation officer for purpose of investigation. He further submitted that the government has by gazette notification declared the house no-405/b, road-27. (New house no-20/a. road no-16) Dhanmondi, as Safe home and interrogation if allowed should be done in that house. Further submitted that materials collected by Investigation agency required to be examined by the investigation officer. He also submitted that some materials also collected by investigation agency during investigation which connect the accused person to the offence in question and for testing those documents it is necessary for taking him in custody.

It was further submitted that the investigation of the case is at the fag end and if the investigation will be prohibited the whole investigation will be defeated and incomplete.

Also submitted that the investigation agency has the right to interrogate the accused person for getting the whole picture of occurrence and this right should not be taken away. So prayed for custody of accused person in custody of investigation officer.

On the other hand Mr. Tanvir Ahmad Al-Amin appeared for the accused petitioner and submitted that the prosecution could not make out a case under section 16(1) of the Act to commit the accused person in the custody of the investigation officer. Further submitted that there is nothing in the petition that investigation officer was satisfied objectively for the purpose of committing the accused person in the custody of the investigation officer for interrogation and that no materials were available in the petition for the Tribunal to form its opinion that such order is indispensable.

He further submitted that the safe home as has been stated by the prosecution is not safe for accused person considering his security. Furthermore not stated in the application that there was arrangement for medical treatment in case of emergency when known that accused person is diabetic and heart patient.

We have heard both the parties. On perusal of petitions we are or the view that the reasons for committing the accused person in the custody of the investigation officer have been satisfied and investigation officer was satisfied that this interrogation is required for proper investigation. Also of the view that this committal of accused person in custody of the investigation officer is indispensable for proper investigation of this case. As such we allow the petition with the following conditions.

It is stated that that accused person is a diabetic with heart problems. Considering this we are inclined to allow this petition with some conditions stated below

The accused is given to the custody of the investigation officer by the Jail authority for interrogation in designated safe house for person of one day.

The jail authority shall produce the accused person at 10 am and take him back from custody at 5 pm.

The investigation officer is required to arrange a room for interrogation.
We also direct the jail authority to depute one doctor of the jail hospital to be present at the adjacent room during period of investigation.

The investigation officer should also allow one advocate of the accused in the adjacent room with the doctor.

The advocate and the doctor are allowed to see the accused at interval time. The doctor present should be able to look at health condition of the accused person if necessary.

The investigation officer will inform the jail authority and lawyer at least 48 hours before the time of interrogation.

The investigation officer will not put any pressure or threat on the accused during investigation.

The accused must be questioned in the language he speaks, Bengali, so that he can understand questions and give responses to them, and at the conclusion of the interrogation or questioning the accused shall be offered the opportunity to clarify anything he has said, before the Investigation Officer.

At the same time, the Investigation Officer comply with 16(2) of the Rules 2010.

With these conditions, the prayer is allowed.

Let a copy of the order be sent to the Superintendent of Dhaka Central Jail for information and necessary action. Copy thereof also be sent to investigation agency and the defence counsel.'

The following was then added to the order by the Tribunal chair:
'Also perusal of case find that investigation of case at fag end and we are of the view that interogation of the accused person is indispensable.'

Comment
At least this time the tribunal ruled that in its view interrogation was 'indispensable' (previously the Tribunal's orders had not even stated that interrogation was 'indispensable' as required by rule 16). The only reason he gave was that the the investigation was at the 'fag end'. I am not sure if that is a sufficient a reason to decide that interrogation was 'indispensable', but at least a reason was given.

Tuesday, May 24, 2011

21 April 2011: Nizami, Mujahid interrogation

On 21 April 2011, two applications were considered. First, an application by Motiur Rahman Nizami and Ali Ahsan Muhammad Mujahid seeking a revision of Tribunal's orders relating to their interrogation. And secondly, a bail application relating to Nizmai, Mujahid and Muhammad Kamaruzzaman .

This blog deals with the first application. A seperate blog deals with the bail application.

Application for Interrogation Order Revision
The background to this application is as follows. On 5 April, the Tribunal ruled, that Motiur Rahman Nizami and Ali Ahsan Muhammad Mujahid should be interrogated for one day inside Dhaka central jail, with a lawyer present in an adjacent room. The order was made in response to an application made by the prosecution that the two men should be remanded in the custody of the investigation agency for three days for the purposes of interrogation. See blog

On 13 April, the Tribunal altered its order to allow interrogation to take place outside the jail in a 'safe house' in Dhanmondi, with a doctor to accompany the lawyer in the adjacent room. This order was made after the Tribunal received a letter from the jail authorities which stated that there was no space to allow interrogation to take place, and on the basis of an application by the prosecution. See blog.

On the 13th itself, also rejected an application made by the defence which sought a modification of the Tribunal's 5 April order requiring the Investigation Agency would make full disclosure to the Applicants of the specific nature of the allegations prior to interrogations and also requiring counsel to be present during all interrogations of the applicants.

Tajul Islam, spoke on behalf of the two accused. He argued that although a specific prayer (on 13th) was made by the applicants for disclosure of the allegations prior to the interrogations, no order was passed by the Tribunal either allowing or rejecting such prayer. He also said that it was apparent from the order dated 5th April 2011 as modified on 13th April 2011 that 'the Tribunal did not take into consideration the international treaties and instruments which have made it mandatory for the Investigation Agency to allow lawyers to be present during interrogations.'

He also argued that the Tribunal order 'did not refer to the facts and circumstances of the case which in its opinion has rendered an order of committal ‘indispensable’ for proper investigation' - a requirement, he said, of Rule 16 of the Rules of Procedure.

He argued that the Tribunal pass the following orders:
- a direction not to commit the Applicants to custody of the Investigation Agency for the purpose of interrogation; (nb: this would in effect require the Tribunal to reverse its decision on 5 April)
- a direction upon the Investigation Agency to make full disclosure to the Applicants, through the Prosecution, of the specific nature of the allegations prior to any interrogations;
- a direction upon the Investigation Agency to allow counsels to be present during all interrogations of the Applicants.
- a direction to provide 14 days notice to the defence lawyers before interrogation is to take place.

Failure to follow Rule 16
Islam first argued that the Tribunal did not have the information before it to make a decision on whether to allow interrogation to take place. He said that under Rule 16(1) of the International Crimes Tribunal, Rules of Procedure, 2010 the Investigating Officer is required to form an opinion as to the necessity of interrogating the accused in his custody. 'This opinion is required to be formed objectively on the basis of documents and evidence.'

[The relevant portion of rule 16(1) states as follows: “The investigation Officer if thinks it necessary, may apply through the Prosecutor to the Tribunal to commit the arrested person(s) in his custody for the purpose of interrogation....” ]

Islam claimed that, 'There must be material or evidence before the Investigating officer to form an opinion as to the requirement of the interrogation. However, no documents, materials or evidence were identified or specified by the Prosecution on the basis of which the Investigating Officer sought custody for the purposes of the interrogation. The Orders of the Tribunal also do not indicate the basis on which custody of the Applicant has been granted to the Investigating Officers.'

He claimed that the Investigating Officer did not have any material or evidence to form an opinion as to the necessity of the investigation. 'He has merely made general allegations in the application which are not supported by any materials or evidence. The Orders of the Tribunal dated 5 April 2011 and 13 April 2011 do not refer to any document, material, evidence or witness which has necessitated the interrogation of the Applicants. In fact, the Order of the Hon’ble Tribunal directing interrogation in the custody of Investigating Officers is without any factual or legal basis.'

He also argued that Rule 16(1) of the Rules, requires the Tribunal itself to form an opinion that the interrogation of the Accused in the custody of the Investigating Officer is “indispensable” for proper investigation. [The relevant portion of the rule 16(1) states as follows:“...the Tribunal can pass order for such custody of the person(s) arrested, for a maximum period of three (3) days if it upon consideration of facts and circumstances of the case is of the opinion that for proper investigation such order is indispensable.”]

The lawyer argued that, 'As such the Tribunal is required to be satisfied that first for the purpose of proper investigation, interrogation of the Applicants is “indispensable” and secondly that such interrogation in the custody of the Investigating Officer is also “indispensable”. However, in the facts and circumstances of the case there were no materials or records before the Tribunal on the basis of which it could be so satisfied and that the Orders of the Tribunal dated 5th and 13th April 2011 also do not refer to any materials or evidence.'

He argued that 'the interrogation in the custody of the investigating officers is merely a fishing expedition.'

He went onto argue that the Prosecution 'failed to disclose why interrogation of the Applicants is necessary in the custody of the Investigating Officer. The Applicants may be interrogated in the custody of the jail authority - either within his cell or at the jail gate. There is no statement or explanation as to why interrogation of the accused in his cell or at the jail gate will not be equally efficacious and appropriate.'

He argued that 'there was no finding on the part of the Tribunal that interrogation was indispensible'

'After 8 months no progress in investigation shown. Only general attacks, not substantiated by evidence.'

He also argued that non-availability of rooms at the Dhaka Central Jail for interrogation is not a ground under the Rules for handing over the Applicants to the custody of the investigating Authority. 'The sole legal requirement to be satisfied under the said Rules is whether custody by the investigating officers is “indispensable”,' he said.

He then made the arguments concerning the need for disclosure of information to the accused before interrogation and and also why lawyers should be allowed to be present during the interrogation. In relation to these he used exactly the same arguments that had been made by Mr Munshi Kabir on 13 April concerning the disclosure of information (see blog).

Islam did make some additional points on why lawyers should be present during interrogation. He said that the presence of a lawyer during interrogation is the only way to ensure that rule 16(2) - which stated that, 'No person during investigation under the Act shall be subjected to any form of coercion, duress or threat of any kind' - can be given effect.

In response, the Tribunal said that 'interrogation is a sacred part of the investigation'. Tajul argued that the CrPC had been excluded from the Tribunal's operations and so new procedure could be adopted by the Tribunal. The Tribunal chairman said that the 'investigation [from the interrogation] will not be admissable.' In relation to the international standards, he said 'Rules are made by us. Not by foreigners. Some international rules of procedure that are not inconsistent with Act can be incorporated in our rules of procedure. This is the way it should be'

The chairman added, 'The Tribunal will conduct itself so that no foreign country can question us. It will meet international standards so far as fair standards are concerned.'

One of the judges asked, 'what is the purpose of the atending advocate? Is it not to give the accused advice. The lawyer should only be there to see the health of the accused. Nothing more. He is not allowed to give advice to the accused.'

Islam said that he was seeking clarification on two things. That there was a right to silence during interrogation And information given cannot be used as evidence.' It appeared that the Tribunal agreed with these things,

In relation to the length of notice defence counsel should be given before an interrogation takes place, Islam said it should be 14 days. To that judge AKM Zahir Ahmed asked him, 'Why 14 days? Why not 14 months?'

The Tribunal chairman indicated to the prosecutors that they need not respond on these applications.

The chairman read out his ruling:
'Mr Tajul Islam learned counsel appeared for the accused persons placed before us the review application and submitted the points raised in that application. We are of the view that the points raised have already been decided in the earlier orders and there is nothing to be reviewed. However on the prayer of giving a notice, at least 48 hours should be given to counsel of accused informing him of date and time of interrogation. With this, the application is disposed.'

Comment
1. Because there is no right for the defence to challenge any of the Tribunal orders, in effect the lawyers are forced to make applications to the same set of judges saying that it made a mistake in making an earlier order. So here, the lawyers are arguing that in making its order of 5 April, it failed to apply Rule 16(1) properly, failing make a ruling on whether interrogation was 'indispensable' and if so on what basis.

Effectively the defence lawyers are asking the Tribunal to rule against itself - something that it is hardly likely to do. This is yet another example of the necessity for having interlocutory appellate hearings.

2. The order fails to engage with any of the arguments made by the defence lawyers - other than the one seeking an order that they are informed in good time prior to the interrogation taking place. It is as though none of defence lawyers arguments were actually put. It does not rule on the meaning of Rule 16(1) and what is required by the investigation agency and by the Tribunal itself in satisfying that rule. Nor does the order itself engage with the arguments about the international obligation to have a lawyer present during the interrogation (though comments were made during the hearing itself relevant to this). The failure to rule on these issue is quite remarkable really and reflects the on-going failure of the Tribunal to provide proper reasoned orders.

Thursday, May 19, 2011

19 Apr 2011: SQ Chowdhury interrogation request

This was altogether a rather extraordinary hearing.

Salauddin Quader Chowdhury was due to attend court in relation to an application filed by the prosecution seeking to remand him in the custody of the investigation agency for three days. Previously on 5 April and then 13 April, there had been similar applications relating to Motiur Rahman Nizami and Mojahid.

The last time SQC had been brought to the Tribunal was on 17 January 2011

I had spoken on 4 April, the day prior to his attendance in court, to his daughter in law on the phone who told me that he had not instructed a lawyer, and was likely to represent himself until any trial took place. Also she said that the US lawyer that he had sought to represent him continued to be refused a visa.

When I arrived at the court premises, there were lots of lawyers, some of whom I knew had been in court previously in support of SQC, standing around outside. I asked one, why he was not going in, and was told that the Tribunal would only allow about ten to go in. I said, 'Well, that seems a good number.' He said, laughing, 'No it is not'. So this is when I realised that the 'BNP lawyers' had decided to boycott the court unless all of them could attend.

When I went into the court, I saw, unusually, the Attorney General sitting next to the Chief Prosecutor. I went up to him and asked why he was present, and he said that there was no special reason but that there were now court holidays. 'I like to stay in touch with what is going on.' he said. Interestingly, though, SQC's daughter in law reminded me that the attorney general has gone to all three hearings in which SQC attended the tribunal, but not one in which any of the other defendents had attended.

We had to wait over an hour before SQC arrived, and when he did so, that was quite a sight. He was carried, prostrate, as though on a stretcher, by six police man up the step court stairs and in the to Tribunal. A previous defendent Alim had been given a wheelchair, which had made his entrance at least more dignified. SQC, though, was not given one. He was laid down inside the 'dock' on a number of chairs, with his legs pointing away from the Tribunal members. It was, it has to be said, a rather hapless site.

After the Tribunal members entered Zead-al-Malum began to argue in favour of their application that he should be remanded in the custody of an investigation officer for three days of questioning at a safe house in Dhanmondi, details of which had been gazetted.

He read out from the application a series of allegations against SQC including that he had formed the Al Badr, Al Shams and Razakers and worked with the Pakistan military and set up a number of torture centres in Chittagong. [more about this will be added in the next few days]

He told the tribunal that the investigation agency has collected documents and evidence including audio-video records, films and photographs on the offences allegedly committed by Salauddin Quader Chowdhury during the Liberation War.

Those documents and evidence needed to be checked by questioning him for a fair and effective investigation, he said.

He read out Rule 16(1) of the Rules of Procedure, which states: 'The Investigation Officer if thinks it necessary, may apply through the Prosecutor to the Tribunal to commit the arrested person(s) in his custody for the purpose of interrogation and the Tribunal can pass order for such custody of the person(s) arrested, for a maximum period of three (3) days if it upon consideration of facts and circumstances of the case is of opinion that for proper investigation such order is indispensable.'

He said SQC's interrogation 'is necessary and indispensable for the ends of justice.'

He then passed up the kinds of document that the Tribunal wanted to ask him about, which was from the 'East Pakistani government, 'fortnightly reports.

He confirmed to the Tribunal that this was just 'one of the reports' that they wanted to question SQC about. Malum said that there was also audio visual material.

He said that we need to interrogate him so that the prosecution can make a formal charge under Section 9(1) of the International Crimes Tribunal Act 1973

He was asked how many more days before they 'completed their investigation to allow a formal charge.' He responded by saying that he was at the 'end of the investigation'. When again specifically asked how many days, he said, 'Approximately 60 days ... Within 60 days we will file a formal charge.'

After the prosecutor sat down, the Tribunal chair then said, 'There is no engaged lawyer for the side of the accused person.'

SQC then said, 'I am representing myself'

The Tribunal chairman told SQC that if he wanted to say something he could.

He started by saying in a quiet voice, 'Chairman, I am not guilty' He was told by the Tribunal chairman to address the Tribunal as a whole.

He then made a statement, some of which was made in a normal controlled voice, but some of which was made in a very loud voice, at times shouting at the Tribunal or at the Attorney General.
'I was arrested on 15 December 2010 at 11 by the Rapid Action Batalion. From the moment of arrest - I would rather call kidnap - I was physically assaulted. I was taken away to an unknown place where I was physically tortured under 6.30 am. Then I was taken to some police station. Later I learned that it was in the cantonment. Then again officers assaulted me. Then they stopped and took away my blood soaked clothes and gave me new cloths. At 8pm some people took me to hospital to check me up.'

'During the torture, two doctors, who must have been government doctors, were present.'

'When taken to hospital, it was PG Hospital, I refused to be treated by government doctors and was then taken by officers of detective branch. Initially, these men were cordial but then they suddenly disappeared. Then RAB man again entered and announced who they were and started again to torture me all over again. You can see my legs, my loins.'

You say you are a Tribunal. I have not received a single piece of paper that shows that I am arrest by a legal process. I consider myself abducted.

If you go by the logic that if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it is a duck, then this place is a court. There are judges, there are prosecutors ....

Tell me does this gazette mentioned by the prosecution have my name in it, show me, show me.'
Tribunal then interrupted and asked that SQC respond to the application.

SQC then carried on and said, 'If you don't want me to defend myself ...' he then quoted from a novel. Then went on.

'You have not given me a single piece of paper. I have been detained for four months. I have had no doctors. ..... This is a mickey mouse court.'

The Attorney General then got up and said that 'This should not be allowed.'

Tribunal chairman said to SQC, 'You are allowed to respond to the application.'

Then SQC went on, 'If they want to question me, I do not have any problems with that. But it will have to be at the jail gate' He then said, 'I have not even been given copy of application.'

The Tribunal said, 'You have not applied for a lawyer'

SQC then said, 'I am representing myself. I am allowed to represent myself. Are you taking that right away from me. I have never asked for a lawyer. I am saying you can question me at the jail gate. And there is no question of lack of space. I am in a three storey building, in solitary confinement. I invite everyone in this court to come and see the interrogation.'

The Attorney General got up again and said, 'Enough of this pretending. He is not an ill person. An ill person does not raise his voice like that.'

The Tribunal chairman then intervened and said that they would adjourn proceedings for 30 minutes before making a ruling, and that in the meantime the accused would be remanded in custody.'

During this break I had a brief conversation with the Attorney General who left the Tribunal during this adjournment. I asked him what he thought about the proceedings. He said, 'It is all pretence. He has all the medical attention he wants at the jail.' I asked him about why he had not received papers, and he said, 'If he wants to represent himself he should file an application to the court.'

After the break, the hearing resumed without the presence of the accused, and passed the following order:
'Application filed by prosecution pressing for an order under rule 16(1) of the Rules of Procedure to commit the accused SQC in the custody of the Investigation Officer for the purpose of investigation for a period of three days.

The accused SQC has been presented in this tribunal by the jail authorities. Mr Zead-ul-Malum, learned prosecutor appearing for the prosecution submitted that for proper investigation of the case, the accused person should be committed to the custody of the Investigation Officer for purpose of investigation. He first submitted that the government has by a gazette notification established a safe house situated at Dhanmondi. He further submitted materials that had been collected by the Investigation Agency are required to be examined by interrogating the accused person. Further submitted that some research, photographs, newspaper, periodicals, magazines and tape recordings have been collected by the investigation agency which connect the accused person with the offence in question and for testing these documents, he is required to be interrogated for an effective investigation.

Further submitted that the investigation is at the fag end stage and if this application is not allowed, Investigation Agency will be prejudiced and as a result the whole investigation would be defective and incomplete.

Further submitted that the investigation agency has a right to interrogate the accused for getting a full picture of the occurrence and this right should not be curtailed in any way and as such prayed for the accused person in custody of the investigation agency for proper investigation.

Noone has been engaged by the accused, SQC, to appear on his behalf as defence counsel, however after submission by the learned prosecutor, the Tribunal asked SQC is he wanted to say something regarding the application.

On our asking the accused, SQC submitted that if there is remand is allowed it should be done at the jail gate not at the safe house. Mr SQC also stated something about his ill-treatment to him by the law enforcing officers , after his arrest.

He was laying in the dock posing as a sick man. It is a fact that he was brought here from KXXX jail and his health was ok. In the court room he pretended to be a sick man but the statement he made in court was so loud that clear to us that he is pretending to be sick and not actually sick. A sick man cannot possibly speak so loudly.

Before going into the merit of the case, want bring some facts forward. Today, by CCTV Camera we have seen a good number of lawyers refusing to coming to the proceedings. As earlier said in open court, there are a limited nubmer of seats in room and need to control number.

The accused Mr SQC has not yet engaged any counsel to defend him. We directed the law enforcers to allow ten to fifteen more lawyers as observers only. We have been told that about 50 lawyers wanted to enter and that everyone wanted to come, but there are not enough seats for that.

On earlier occasion, we sought the cooperation of the learned counsel. We express our disatidfction with the conduct of the lawyers. We can only say that we are sorry.

In the morning, the accused was brought to the Tribunal at 11.30 am although he was required to be produced by 10.30. This is not the first time. It happens each time. We direct the registrar to write to the ministry of Home Affairs and to superintendent of prisons to inform them of this matter so in future the accused is presented to the Tribunal on time in Tribunal without fail. Also asked the Chief Prosecutor to communicate the matter with the concerned authority.

In considering this case and on perusal of the papers submitted before us we are of the view that for proper investigation of this case, the committing of the accused person into the custody of the investigation officer for purpose of interrogation is indispensible.

Considering the gravity of this matter , we allow the petition, under the following conditions.

The accused SQC to be committed to the custody of the Investigation Officer by jail authority at designated safe house for period of one day only for purpose of interrogation by the investigation officer.

The Jail Authority will present the accused at the safe house at 10 am and remove him from the custody of the Investigation Agency at 5pm.

The Investigation Agency is directed to arrange a special room for interrogation with knowledge of engaged counsel.

The Investigation Agency is also directed to depute a doctor from the jail to stay in an adjacent room during interrogation and the doctors will be allowed to see the accused person at the interval time and allowed to conduct health tests of the accused when necessary

The investigation agency will inform the Jail authorities about the date and time of such interrogation.

The Investigation agency shall not put any pressure or threat on accused at time of interrogation and maintain privacy in the safe house.

The interrogation should be conducted in Bangla only so that the the accused and interrogator can understand.

The accused should be given opportunity to clarify anything to the investigation officer.

The Investigation Officer must at all time abide by 16(2) of the rules [This states: ‘No person during investigation under the Act shall be subjected to any form of coercion, duress or threat of any kind.’]

With above condition the application is allowed

Let a copy of the order to sent to the Supt of Dhaka Central Jail and the Investigation officer

Accused is remanded in custody until further order and the prosecution is directed to provide progress report by 19 Jun 2011.'
Comments
A number of concerns about this hearing are summed up this article: What to do about SQC?